[Prodev] What programs would you like to see in library schoo l

Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:15:38 -0600

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In the case of digitization of materials for a law firm library, though, I
think there's a real need for a librarian to know what the process is, even
perhaps having done it, whether or not they do it "on the outside".  (I also
don't mean to speak for Mr. Mead)  It's similar to the complaint about law
students leaving law school without an ability to do legal research well.  A
librarian who understands the process of digitization can better sell the
case that a project be outsourced rather than becoming an albatross around
that librarian's neck.  If they don't know the scope of the process, then
they may not be able to avoid getting sucked into work that really doesn't
take advantage of their expertise. 

David.

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David P. Whelan
Director, ABA Legal Technology Resource Center
(e) wheland@staff.abanet.org
(v) 312.988.5026     (f) 312.988.5037
LTRC: http://www.lawtechnology.org  ABA:  http://www.abanet.org
'Events in the past may roughly be divided into those which probably never
happened and those which do not matter.' - W.R. Inge

-----Original Message-----
From: Patricia Turpening [mailto:Pat.Turpening@Law.UC.Edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:57 PM
To: prodev@aallnet.org
Subject: RE: [Prodev] What programs would you like to see in library
schoo l

I'm certainly not talking about teaching library students how to do book 
repair. I doubt that Mr. Mead meant that schools should teach students how 
to do the actual digitizing (though he can speak for himself). That is for 
professionals. There are many management issues involved in classes on 
preservation. Students need to know the importance of long-range plans, 
collection surveys, disaster plans, and how to evaluate and compare various 
reformatting options for different volumes and collections.

Preservation is definitely a management issue that needs to be addressed at 
some level in every library.

Pat Turpening
At 02:20 PM 3/11/03 -0600, you wrote:

>I think that's an interesting - and practical - tack to take.  It raises 
>this question in my mind, though, and other courses would do the 
>same?  Are librarians being trained to perform rudiementary activities 
>(scanning the page) or are they being trained to do something more?  (I 
>apologize for the "training" term but at heart, that's what I believe 
>library school does for most of us)  I think it's clear we all should be 
>concerned about digital libraries and how to incorporate them into our 
>environments; and you can't avoid the issue of having to know something 
>about the rudiments of scanning, image formats, etc.  But there's a 
>balance to be struck; paralegals are not necessarily the ones compiling 
>the print or electronic deposition libraries and litigation support 
>databases, even if they're the ones that can do brilliant things with them.
>
>Library schools can, in my mind, do a great service in providing some 
>professional delineation up front - creating expectations of what a 
>librarian (or information professional or whatever) is.  Are we the people 
>who change the paper and toner?  Are we the programmers?  Or are we merely 
>doing all of those things as well as the more traditional or emerging 
>roles and so we are indistinct jacks-of-all-trades, 
>masters-of-a-half-dozen?  When librarians emerge into the market, they 
>should have an expectation of what their professional position is.  I 
>don't mind getting coffee for my oversight board members, but I don't want 
>them to have the impression of me that I'm merely the water boy, to the 
>detriment of the other attributes my staff and I offer.
>
>Good for KU on its foresight!
>
>David.
>
>-------------------------------------------
>David P. Whelan
>Director, ABA Legal Technology Resource Center
>(e) wheland@staff.abanet.org
>(v) 312.988.5026     (f) 312.988.5037
>LTRC: 
><http://www.lawtechnology.org>http://www.lawtechnology.org  ABA: 
><http://www.abanet.org>http://www.abanet.org
>'Events in the past may roughly be divided into those which probably never 
>happened and those which do not matter.' - W.R. Inge
>
<snipped Mr. Mead's post, for brevity>
Patricia Turpening
Head, Preservation and Archives
University of Cincinnati Law Library
PO Box 210142
Cincinnati, OH 45221-0142
Phone: 513-556-0157
Fax: 513-556-6265

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In the case of digitization of materials for a law =
firm library, though, I think there's a real need for a librarian to =
know what the process is, even perhaps having done it, whether or not =
they do it &quot;on the outside&quot;.&nbsp; (I also don't mean to =
speak for Mr. Mead)&nbsp; It's similar to the complaint about law =
students leaving law school without an ability to do legal research =
well.&nbsp; A librarian who understands the process of digitization can =
better sell the case that a project be outsourced rather than becoming =
an albatross around that librarian's neck.&nbsp; If they don't know the =
scope of the process, then they may not be able to avoid getting sucked =
into work that really doesn't take advantage of their expertise. =

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>David.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-------------------------------------------</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>David P. Whelan</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Director, ABA Legal Technology Resource =
Center</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(e) wheland@staff.abanet.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(v) 312.988.5026&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (f) =
312.988.5037</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>LTRC: <A HREF=3D"http://www.lawtechnology.org" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.lawtechnology.org</A>&nbsp; ABA:&nbsp; <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.abanet.org" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.abanet.org</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'Events in the past may roughly be divided into =
those which probably never happened and those which do not matter.' - =
W.R. Inge</FONT></P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Patricia Turpening [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:Pat.Turpening@Law.UC.Edu">mailto:Pat.Turpening@Law.UC.Edu=
</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:57 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: prodev@aallnet.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: [Prodev] What programs would you like =
to see in library</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>schoo l</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

I'm certainly not talking about teaching library =
students how to do book 
 repair. I doubt that Mr. Mead meant that schools =
should teach students how 
 to do the actual digitizing (though he can speak for =
himself). That is for 
 professionals. There are many management issues =
involved in classes on 
 preservation. Students need to know the importance =
of long-range plans, 
 collection surveys, disaster plans, and how to =
evaluate and compare various 
 reformatting options for different volumes and =
collections.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Preservation is definitely a management issue that =
needs to be addressed at </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>some level in every library.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Pat Turpening</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>At 02:20 PM 3/11/03 -0600, you wrote:</FONT>
</P>

&gt;I think that's an interesting - and practical - =
tack to take.&nbsp; It raises 
 &gt;this question in my mind, though, and other =
courses would do the 
 &gt;same?&nbsp; Are librarians being trained to =
perform rudiementary activities 
 &gt;(scanning the page) or are they being trained to =
do something more?&nbsp; (I 
 &gt;apologize for the &quot;training&quot; term but =
at heart, that's what I believe 
 &gt;library school does for most of us)&nbsp; I =
think it's clear we all should be 
 &gt;concerned about digital libraries and how to =
incorporate them into our 
 &gt;environments; and you can't avoid the issue of =
having to know something 
 &gt;about the rudiments of scanning, image formats, =
etc.&nbsp; But there's a 
 &gt;balance to be struck; paralegals are not =
necessarily the ones compiling 
 &gt;the print or electronic deposition libraries and =
litigation support 
 &gt;databases, even if they're the ones that can do =
brilliant things with them.
 &gt;
 &gt;Library schools can, in my mind, do a great =
service in providing some 
 &gt;professional delineation up front - creating =
expectations of what a 
 &gt;librarian (or information professional or =
whatever) is.&nbsp; Are we the people 
 &gt;who change the paper and toner?&nbsp; Are we the =
programmers?&nbsp; Or are we merely 
 &gt;doing all of those things as well as the more =
traditional or emerging 
 &gt;roles and so we are indistinct =
jacks-of-all-trades, 
 &gt;masters-of-a-half-dozen?&nbsp; When librarians =
emerge into the market, they 
 &gt;should have an expectation of what their =
professional position is.&nbsp; I 
 &gt;don't mind getting coffee for my oversight board =
members, but I don't want 
 &gt;them to have the impression of me that I'm =
merely the water boy, to the 
 &gt;detriment of the other attributes my staff and I =
offer.
 &gt;
 &gt;Good for KU on its foresight!
 &gt;
 &gt;David.
 &gt;
 &gt;-------------------------------------------
 &gt;David P. Whelan
 &gt;Director, ABA Legal Technology Resource =
Center
 &gt;(e) wheland@staff.abanet.org
 &gt;(v) 312.988.5026&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (f) =
312.988.5037
 &gt;LTRC: 
 &gt;&lt;<A HREF=3D"http://www.lawtechnology.org" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.lawtechnology.org</A>&gt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.lawtechnology.org" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.lawtechnology.org</A>&nbsp; ABA: 
 &gt;&lt;<A HREF=3D"http://www.abanet.org" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.abanet.org</A>&gt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.abanet.org" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.abanet.org</A>
 &gt;'Events in the past may roughly be divided into =
those which probably never 
 &gt;happened and those which do not matter.' - W.R. =
Inge
 &gt;
 &lt;snipped Mr. Mead's post, for brevity&gt;
 Patricia Turpening
 Head, Preservation and Archives
 University of Cincinnati Law Library
 PO Box 210142
 Cincinnati, OH 45221-0142
 Phone: 513-556-0157
 Fax: 513-556-6265

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