From prodev@aallnet.org Mon Mar 17 16:44:31 2003 From: prodev@aallnet.org (Fullerton, Barbara) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:44:31 -0600 Subject: [Prodev] Summary of Discussion Message-ID: <9543F2C5DA1AA84FAE0C36366E5C11DA01A030BD@daex02.lockeliddell.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ECA4.7BFFAB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you for participating in last week's Library Schools Discussion. We had about 160 signed up for the listserv. All had a variety of experiences in library schools, including the traditional classroom and online sessions. Here is a summary of what was discussed: Format of Classes Many liked the flexibility of weekend sessions, Internet sessions and the traditional classroom settings. Many liked working with mature people from a variety of backgrounds and interests. In the traditional classroom settings, students preferred the smaller size classrooms and different teachers and their teaching styles. Concerning Internet Sessions: most liked posting and accessing information at anytime. Some commented that their internet sessions had professors that were unorganized and assignments were not that great. Some said they missed the bonding that occurs in a classroom setting. Almost everyone agreed that the online classes take more discipline. One person said "they are working about 4 times as hard as they would have in a face-to-face class." A few suggested that Internet classes work best when combined with an initial class meeting for the camaraderie and to clear up any questions about the class and its outline. Just about everyone agreed that online works best for busy adults and specialty sessions. Some said it was the ideal situation, and it cuts down on traveling. Many also agree in order for online classes to work it takes the professor's commitment for content and interactions. Regardless of online or traditional classroom settings, one person made the comment that "teacher(s) and/or mentor(s) have to make that extra effort to spread those values, regardless of the educational format." Others agreed that in traditional classes one gets knowledge and skills needed for their education because they could not rely on online classes. The Internet was not a part of library schools when some attended. And that they loved the face to face sessions with faculty interactions. Library schools offer specialized courses for law librarians? Some schools have basic courses geared toward specialized librarians and others have designed internships to help fill the void of specialized classes. Many commented that hands on experience was invaluable! And that this training to some was more beneficial than the library school's courses. One person said, "Internships are an effective way to overcome any shortcomings in the library school faculty or curriculum." One professor gives students extra credit for attending professional conferences and workshops. "After all, it is important that the students interact with professionals for learning, mentoring, and networking." Others said that they learned on the job or at training workshops. Many commented they would like to see library schools teach people how to teach, that library schools should have a greater emphasis on "how things work", see more classes on legal topics like copyright, speech issues, preservation vs. digitization, licensing etc. that could be taught by lawyers or legally trained librarians. One person said that in her classes, "98% of the other students already had significant experience in a library, and willingly shared their experiences, which seemed to balance well with the theoretical knowledge being taught." Others agreed that in today's library schools the professors face difficult issues of teaching practical topics over theoretical subjects. Someone suggested "teaching libraries." One thought that his/her education did not prepare him/her for the realties of librarianship, nor did it provide a broad or in-depth bibliographic instructions. KU and Emporia State are currently constructing a post-MLS graduate certificate in legal information which will be about 90% online. One person had this suggestion: "Maybe the solution is to require library school faculty to take a sabbatical to do "real work" for a summer or semester-actually working at a reference desk or catalog materials." ALA Accreditation Is there a better way to influence ALA standards for schools? One librarian said, "Maybe a better strategy would be to try to influence the ALA accreditation standards first. Then if enough libraries threatened to not require an ALA accredited degree...however, ALA should amend its standards to account differently for someone who teaches part time in a program, but is a faculty member in that institution practicing in the profession." Others said that there are practitioners that serve as adjunct faculty teaching one or two courses a year and most library schools do a good job of bringing practical experiences to the classroom. Another librarian commented that "ALA accreditation doesn't encourage library school faculty to be "practicing librarians." Unless the person is a full-time faculty member in the library school, they are counted for accreditation purposes as an adjunct. This limits the amount of real-life experience that faculty can actually get." One explained the accreditation process: "The accreditation process also includes a practitioner component. Reaccreditation visits are conducted by an external review panel appointed by the ALA Committee on Accreditation. According to the published guidelines for external review panels, each panel includes individuals active in academia and in practice...and I am confident that the rigorous review of library and information science programs includes a serious look at how well the school is integrating theory and practice." What schools offer Bachelor of Science Degrees in Libraries? 1. Emporia: Information Resource Studies 2. FUS: Information Studies 3. Kutztown University of Pennsylvania 4. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill has an undergraduate major in Information Science 5. University of Kentucky has a bachelor's degree still. 6. Syracuse 7. Drexel also seem to offer undergraduate degrees 8. University of Maine at Augusta offers a degree in Library and Information Technology both online and face-to-face. One asked the question: What about reviving the Masters of Library Administration degree? Continuing Education Most everyone agreed that there needs to be a national certification program that requires continuing education. Library schools should help and be involved in this program. Other places to find CE courses: public county law libraries and "teaching libraries." Barbara Fullerton Manager of Library Services Locke Liddell & Sapp LLP 2200 Ross Ave. Suite 2200 Dallas, TX 75201-6776 bfullerton@lockeliddell.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ECA4.7BFFAB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Summary of Discussion

Thank you for participating in last = week's Library Schools Discussion. We had about 160 signed up for the = listserv. All had a variety of experiences in library schools, = including the traditional classroom and online sessions. Here is a = summary of what was discussed:

Format of Classes
Many liked the flexibility of weekend = sessions, Internet sessions and the traditional classroom settings. = Many liked working with mature people from a variety of backgrounds and = interests. In the traditional classroom settings, students preferred = the smaller size classrooms and different teachers and their teaching = styles. Concerning Internet Sessions: most liked posting and accessing = information at anytime. Some commented that their internet sessions had = professors that were unorganized and assignments were not that great. = Some said they missed the bonding that occurs in a classroom setting. = Almost everyone agreed that the online classes take more discipline. = One person said "they are working about 4 times as hard as they = would have in a face-to-face class." A few suggested that Internet = classes work best when combined = with an initial class meeting for = the camaraderie and to clear up any questions about the class and its = outline. Just about everyone agreed that online works best for busy = adults and specialty sessions. Some said it was the ideal situation, = and it cuts down on traveling. Many also agree in order for online = classes to work it takes the professor's commitment for content and = interactions. Regardless of online or traditional classroom settings, = one person made the comment that "teacher(s) and/or mentor(s) have to make that extra = effort to spread those values, regardless of the educational = format."

Others agreed that in traditional = classes one gets knowledge and skills needed for their education = because they could not rely on online classes. The Internet was not a = part of library schools when some attended. And that they loved the = face to face sessions with faculty interactions.

Library schools offer specialized = courses for law librarians?
Some schools have basic courses = geared toward specialized librarians and others have designed = internships to help fill the void of specialized classes. Many = commented that hands on experience was invaluable! And that this = training to some was more beneficial than the library school's courses. = One person said, "Internships are an effective way to overcome any = shortcomings in the library school faculty or = curriculum."  One = professor gives students extra credit for attending professional = conferences and workshops. "After all, it is important that the = students interact with professionals for learning, mentoring, and = networking." Others said that they learned on the job or at = training workshops.

Many commented they would like to see = library schools teach people how to teach, that library schools should = have a greater emphasis on "how things work", see more = classes on legal topics like copyright, speech issues, preservation vs. = digitization, licensing etc. that could be taught by lawyers or legally = trained librarians. One person said that in her classes, "98% of = the other students already had significant experience in a library, and = willingly shared their experiences, which seemed to balance well with = the theoretical knowledge being taught."

Others agreed that in today's library = schools the professors face difficult issues of teaching practical = topics over theoretical subjects. Someone suggested "teaching = libraries."

One thought that his/her education did = not prepare him/her for the realties of librarianship, nor did it = provide a broad or in-depth bibliographic instructions.

KU and Emporia State are currently = constructing a post-MLS graduate certificate in legal information which = will be about 90% online.

One person had this suggestion: = "Maybe the solution is to require library school faculty to take a = sabbatical to do "real work" for a summer or = semester-actually working at a reference desk or catalog = materials."

ALA Accreditation
Is there a better way to influence = ALA standards for schools?
One librarian said, "Maybe a = better strategy would be to try to influence the ALA accreditation = standards first. Then if enough libraries threatened to not require an = ALA accredited degree...however, ALA should amend its standards to = account differently for someone who teaches part time in a program, but = is a faculty member in that institution practicing in the = profession." Others said that there are practitioners that serve = as adjunct faculty teaching one or two courses a year and most library = schools do a good job of bringing practical experiences to the = classroom.

Another librarian commented that = "ALA accreditation doesn't encourage library school faculty to be = "practicing librarians." Unless the person is a full-time = faculty member in the library school, they are counted for = accreditation purposes as an adjunct. This limits the amount of = real-life experience that faculty can actually get."

One explained the accreditation = process: "The accreditation = process also includes a practitioner component. Reaccreditation visits = are conducted by an external review panel appointed by the ALA = Committee on Accreditation. According to the published guidelines for = external review panels, each panel includes individuals active in = academia and in practice...and I am confident that the rigorous review = of library and information science programs includes a serious look at = how well the school is integrating theory and = practice."

What schools offer Bachelor of = Science Degrees in Libraries?
1. Emporia: Information Resource = Studies
2. FUS: Information Studies
3. Kutztown University of = Pennsylvania
4. University of North Carolina, = Chapel Hill has an undergraduate major in Information Science
5. University of Kentucky has a = bachelor's degree still.
6. Syracuse <http://istweb.syr.edu/prospective/><= FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">
7.  Drexel <http://www.cis.drexel.edu/> also seem to offer undergraduate = degrees
8.  University of Maine at = Augusta offers a degree in Library and Information Technology both = online and face-to-face.

One asked the question: What about = reviving the Masters of Library Administration degree?

Continuing Education
Most everyone agreed that there needs = to be a national certification program that requires continuing = education. Library schools should help and be involved in this program. = Other places to find CE courses: public county law libraries and = "teaching libraries."

Barbara = Fullerton
Manager = of Library Services
Locke = Liddell & Sapp LLP
2200 = Ross Ave.
Suite = 2200
Dallas, = TX 75201-6776
bfullerton@lockeliddell.com



------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ECA4.7BFFAB60-- From prodev@aallnet.org Mon Mar 17 16:53:42 2003 From: prodev@aallnet.org (Kathie Sullivan) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:53:42 -0500 Subject: [Prodev] Summary of Discussion Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ECA5.C46E7C8C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nice job. think about submitting to Spectrum!! =20 I'll purge the list later today...I'll give people a chance to reply to this first. =20 Kathie -----Original Message----- From: Fullerton, Barbara [mailto:bfullerton@lockeliddell.com]=20 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:45 AM To: 'prodev@aallnet.org' Subject: [Prodev] Summary of Discussion =09 =09 Thank you for participating in last week's Library Schools Discussion. We had about 160 signed up for the listserv. All had a variety of experiences in library schools, including the traditional classroom and online sessions. Here is a summary of what was discussed: Format of Classes=20 Many liked the flexibility of weekend sessions, Internet sessions and the traditional classroom settings. Many liked working with mature people from a variety of backgrounds and interests. In the traditional classroom settings, students preferred the smaller size classrooms and different teachers and their teaching styles. Concerning Internet Sessions: most liked posting and accessing information at anytime. Some commented that their internet sessions had professors that were unorganized and assignments were not that great. Some said they missed the bonding that occurs in a classroom setting. Almost everyone agreed that the online classes take more discipline. One person said "they are working about 4 times as hard as they would have in a face-to-face class." A few suggested that Internet classes work best when combined with an initial class meeting for the camaraderie and to clear up any questions about the class and its outline. Just about everyone agreed that online works best for busy adults and specialty sessions. Some said it was the ideal situation, and it cuts down on traveling. Many also agree in order for online classes to work it takes the professor's commitment for content and interactions. Regardless of online or traditional classroom settings, one person made the comment that "teacher(s) and/or mentor(s) have to make that extra effort to spread those values, regardless of the educational format." Others agreed that in traditional classes one gets knowledge and skills needed for their education because they could not rely on online classes. The Internet was not a part of library schools when some attended. And that they loved the face to face sessions with faculty interactions.=20 Library schools offer specialized courses for law librarians?=20 Some schools have basic courses geared toward specialized librarians and others have designed internships to help fill the void of specialized classes. Many commented that hands on experience was invaluable! And that this training to some was more beneficial than the library school's courses. One person said, "Internships are an effective way to overcome any shortcomings in the library school faculty or curriculum." One professor gives students extra credit for attending professional conferences and workshops. "After all, it is important that the students interact with professionals for learning, mentoring, and networking." Others said that they learned on the job or at training workshops. Many commented they would like to see library schools teach people how to teach, that library schools should have a greater emphasis on "how things work", see more classes on legal topics like copyright, speech issues, preservation vs. digitization, licensing etc. that could be taught by lawyers or legally trained librarians. One person said that in her classes, "98% of the other students already had significant experience in a library, and willingly shared their experiences, which seemed to balance well with the theoretical knowledge being taught."=20 Others agreed that in today's library schools the professors face difficult issues of teaching practical topics over theoretical subjects. Someone suggested "teaching libraries." One thought that his/her education did not prepare him/her for the realties of librarianship, nor did it provide a broad or in-depth bibliographic instructions. KU and Emporia State are currently constructing a post-MLS graduate certificate in legal information which will be about 90% online. One person had this suggestion: "Maybe the solution is to require library school faculty to take a sabbatical to do "real work" for a summer or semester-actually working at a reference desk or catalog materials." ALA Accreditation=20 Is there a better way to influence ALA standards for schools?=20 One librarian said, "Maybe a better strategy would be to try to influence the ALA accreditation standards first. Then if enough libraries threatened to not require an ALA accredited degree...however, ALA should amend its standards to account differently for someone who teaches part time in a program, but is a faculty member in that institution practicing in the profession." Others said that there are practitioners that serve as adjunct faculty teaching one or two courses a year and most library schools do a good job of bringing practical experiences to the classroom.=20 Another librarian commented that "ALA accreditation doesn't encourage library school faculty to be "practicing librarians." Unless the person is a full-time faculty member in the library school, they are counted for accreditation purposes as an adjunct. This limits the amount of real-life experience that faculty can actually get." One explained the accreditation process: "The accreditation process also includes a practitioner component. Reaccreditation visits are conducted by an external review panel appointed by the ALA Committee on Accreditation. According to the published guidelines for external review panels, each panel includes individuals active in academia and in practice...and I am confident that the rigorous review of library and information science programs includes a serious look at how well the school is integrating theory and practice." What schools offer Bachelor of Science Degrees in Libraries?=20 1. Emporia: Information Resource Studies=20 2. FUS: Information Studies=20 3. Kutztown University of Pennsylvania=20 4. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill has an undergraduate major in Information Science=20 5. University of Kentucky has a bachelor's degree still.=20 6. Syracuse =20 7. Drexel also seem to offer undergraduate degrees=20 8. University of Maine at Augusta offers a degree in Library and Information Technology both online and face-to-face.=20 One asked the question: What about reviving the Masters of Library Administration degree?=20 Continuing Education=20 Most everyone agreed that there needs to be a national certification program that requires continuing education. Library schools should help and be involved in this program. Other places to find CE courses: public county law libraries and "teaching libraries." Barbara Fullerton=20 Manager of Library Services=20 Locke Liddell & Sapp LLP=20 2200 Ross Ave.=20 Suite 2200=20 Dallas, TX 75201-6776=20 bfullerton@lockeliddell.com=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ECA5.C46E7C8C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
nice job. = think about=20 submitting to Spectrum!!
 
I'll purge = the list=20 later today...I'll give people a chance to reply to this=20 first.
 
Kathie
-----Original Message-----
From: = Fullerton,=20 Barbara [mailto:bfullerton@lockeliddell.com]
Sent: Monday, = March=20 17, 2003 11:45 AM
To: = 'prodev@aallnet.org'
Subject:=20 [Prodev] Summary of Discussion

Thank you for participating in last = week's Library=20 Schools Discussion. We had about 160 signed up for the listserv. All = had a=20 variety of experiences in library schools, including the traditional = classroom=20 and online sessions. Here is a summary of what was = discussed:

Format of Classes =
Many liked the flexibility of weekend sessions, = Internet=20 sessions and the traditional classroom settings. Many liked working = with=20 mature people from a variety of backgrounds and interests. In the = traditional=20 classroom settings, students preferred the smaller size classrooms and = different teachers and their teaching styles. Concerning Internet = Sessions:=20 most liked posting and accessing information at anytime. Some = commented that=20 their internet sessions had professors that were unorganized and = assignments=20 were not that great. Some said they missed the bonding that occurs in = a=20 classroom setting. Almost everyone agreed that the online classes take = more=20 discipline. One person said "they are working about 4 times as hard as = they=20 would have in a face-to-face class." A few suggested that Internet=20 classes work best when combined = with an initial=20 class meeting for the camaraderie = and to clear=20 up any questions about the class and its outline. Just about everyone = agreed=20 that online works best for busy adults and specialty sessions. Some = said it=20 was the ideal situation, and it cuts down on traveling. Many also = agree in=20 order for online classes to work it takes the professor's commitment = for=20 content and interactions. Regardless of online or traditional = classroom=20 settings, one person made the comment that "teacher(s) and/or mentor(s) have to make that extra effort to = spread=20 those values, regardless of the educational format."

Others agreed that in traditional = classes one gets=20 knowledge and skills needed for their education because they could not = rely on=20 online classes. The Internet was not a part of library schools when = some=20 attended. And that they loved the face to face sessions with faculty=20 interactions.

Library schools offer specialized = courses for=20 law librarians?
Some = schools have basic=20 courses geared toward specialized librarians and others have designed=20 internships to help fill the void of specialized classes. Many = commented that=20 hands on experience was invaluable! And that this training to some was = more=20 beneficial than the library school's courses. One person said, = "Internships=20 are an effective way to overcome any shortcomings in the library = school=20 faculty or curriculum."  One = professor=20 gives students extra credit for attending professional conferences and = workshops. "After all, it is important that the students interact with = professionals for learning, mentoring, and networking." Others said = that they=20 learned on the job or at training workshops.

Many commented they would like to see = library=20 schools teach people how to teach, that library schools should have a = greater=20 emphasis on "how things work", see more classes on legal topics like=20 copyright, speech issues, preservation vs. digitization, licensing = etc. that=20 could be taught by lawyers or legally trained librarians. One person = said that=20 in her classes, "98% of the other students already had significant = experience=20 in a library, and willingly shared their experiences, which seemed to = balance=20 well with the theoretical knowledge being taught."

Others agreed that in today's library = schools the=20 professors face difficult issues of teaching practical topics over = theoretical=20 subjects. Someone suggested "teaching libraries."

One thought that his/her education did = not prepare=20 him/her for the realties of librarianship, nor did it provide a broad = or=20 in-depth bibliographic instructions.

KU and Emporia State are currently = constructing a=20 post-MLS graduate certificate in legal information which will be about = 90%=20 online.

One person had this suggestion: "Maybe = the solution=20 is to require library school faculty to take a sabbatical to do "real = work"=20 for a summer or semester-actually working at a reference desk or = catalog=20 materials."

ALA Accreditation =
Is there a better way to influence ALA standards = for=20 schools?
One librarian said, = "Maybe a=20 better strategy would be to try to influence the ALA accreditation = standards=20 first. Then if enough libraries threatened to not require an ALA = accredited=20 degree...however, ALA should amend its standards to account = differently for=20 someone who teaches part time in a program, but is a faculty member in = that=20 institution practicing in the profession." Others said that there are=20 practitioners that serve as adjunct faculty teaching one or two = courses a year=20 and most library schools do a good job of bringing practical = experiences to=20 the classroom.

Another librarian commented that "ALA = accreditation=20 doesn't encourage library school faculty to be "practicing = librarians." Unless=20 the person is a full-time faculty member in the library school, they = are=20 counted for accreditation purposes as an adjunct. This limits the = amount of=20 real-life experience that faculty can actually get."

One explained the accreditation = process:=20 "The accreditation process also = includes a=20 practitioner component. Reaccreditation visits are conducted by an = external=20 review panel appointed by the ALA Committee on Accreditation. = According to the=20 published guidelines for external review panels, each panel includes=20 individuals active in academia and in practice...and I am confident = that the=20 rigorous review of library and information science programs includes a = serious=20 look at how well the school is integrating theory and = practice."

What schools offer Bachelor of = Science Degrees=20 in Libraries?
1. Emporia: = Information=20 Resource Studies
2. FUS: = Information=20 Studies
3. Kutztown University = of=20 Pennsylvania
4. University of = North=20 Carolina, Chapel Hill has an undergraduate major in Information = Science=20
5. University of Kentucky has a = bachelor's=20 degree still.
6. Syracuse=20 <http://istweb.syr.edu/prospec= tive/>
7.  = Drexel <http://www.cis.drexel.edu/> also seem to offer undergraduate degrees =
8.  University of Maine at Augusta offers a = degree in=20 Library and Information Technology both online and face-to-face. =

One asked the question: What about = reviving the=20 Masters of Library Administration degree?

Continuing Education =
Most everyone agreed that there needs to be a = national=20 certification program that requires continuing education. Library = schools=20 should help and be involved in this program. Other places to find CE = courses:=20 public county law libraries and "teaching libraries."

Barbara=20 Fullerton
Manager of Library Services
Locke Liddell & Sapp LLP
2200 Ross = Ave.
Suite 2200 =
Dallas, TX = 75201-6776=20
bfullerton@lockeliddell.com=20



=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ECA5.C46E7C8C-- From prodev@aallnet.org Mon Mar 17 16:53:58 2003 From: prodev@aallnet.org (Kathie Sullivan) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:53:58 -0500 Subject: Recall: [Prodev] Summary of Discussion Message-ID: Kathie Sullivan would like to recall the message, "[Prodev] Summary of = Discussion".